Friday, November 23, 2012

Why Teh MAndrosphere?

So my comment section on my last post has once again devolved into another iteration of the Gamers vs. Anti-Gamers debate that happens all over teh MAndrosphere. (some prefer the Manosphere, others, Androsphere. I don't particularly care who calls it what, so I'll just apply the Hegelian Dialect and go with the Synthesis, Teh MAndrosphere TM from here on out. lozlzolzol)

You're missing the point. It's not about giving or getting credit or status. It's not about appointing Roissy (or anyone else in these fringes of teh interwebz) as some sort of authority figure, hero or Godfather.

It's not about whether MGTOW or PUA, or MRA or Married Gamers or Paleo Diet adherents or Christian anti-Frivolous Divorce Crusaders, or White Nationalists are all part of this movement or that movement, or that we need to purge any or all of these factions from this so-called MRM in order to finally get together with common cause and "fix" the problems we all deal with by going mainstream.

There's nothing to fix in terms of society, the political system or pop culture. It's working precisely as it was designed to, in feeding our minds lies, half-truths and delusions, so that we embrace our slavery without even realizing it. Every niche and faction in Teh MAndrosphere has it's own contribution to attaining Red Pill clarity.

There is only truth.

Everyone thinks they understand "THE RED PILL."

But most are only focused on one or two areas of our modern life in which they believe the red pill has made clear for them. Sex. Relationships. Sexual Marketplace Value. Marriage Market Place Value. The Divorce System meat grinder. These topics are essentially 90% of the conversation of teh MAndrosphere. It's all good and necessary truths that need to be discovered and explored by everyone who happens to stumble upon our little virtual revolution out here on the fringe.

But the only true red pill, is the one that helps you see the entirety of the Matrix for what it is.

We have been assimilated by the Borg of Global Governance Incorporated.

The dysfunction of modern human mating and familial relationships is a state of affairs purposefully and deliberately socially engineered into our mass consciousness.

Mind control. Brainwashing.

For what purpose? For many, it's some grand conspiracy of the entire Female Gender following the herd led by professional class Feminists, to subjugate the male gender into perpetual subservience to the Feminine Imperative.

This is missing the forest for the trees. The "feminists" at the top of the movement, are in fact useful idiots and/or mass culture change agents. Usually both.

The Feminine Imperative is simply a program used by the social engineers who have a true understanding of human nature, who use this understanding to deliberately manipulate the masses, to herd us all into desired behaviors.

Population CONTROL. Human Resources Management.

Why does our public school and mass media driven society emasculate young men, pedestalize women, and incentivize the destruction of the Patriarchal Family as the base building blocks for society?

Why are the near limitless tales of these things occurring in countless lives across the globe, the ceaseless grist for teh MAndrosphere grill?

The answer is simple, really. We the Sheeple are human resources for the profits of the Global Corporate State's Shareholders.

All these things we discuss, debate and derogate in teh MAndrosphere, all stem from this agenda of control of us all, teh Menz and they Womynz alike. All of our wants and needs that used to be served for us by our familial structures and social bonds, have all been outsourced to our Corporate Overlords.  The subsidized single mother household has been subsidized to assure future revenue streams for our Corporate society.

John Taylor Gatto served for 30 years as a human resources programmer.

Here's his red pill:

Our schools are ... factories in which the raw products (children) are to be shaped and fashioned .... And it is the business of the school to build its pupils according to the specifications laid down.

It's perfectly obvious from our society today what those specifications were.

Maturity has by now been banished from nearly every aspect of our lives.

Easy divorce laws have removed the need to work at relationships; easy credit has removed the need for fiscal self-control; easy entertainment has removed the need to learn to entertain oneself; easy answers have removed the need to ask questions.

We have become a nation of children, happy to surrender our judgments and our wills to political exhortations and commercial blandishments that would insult actual adults.

We buy televisions, and then we buy the things we see on the television.

We buy computers, and then we buy the things we see on the computer.

We buy $150 sneakers whether we need them or not, and when they fall apart too soon we buy another pair. We drive SUVs and believe the lie that they constitute a kind of life insurance, even when we're upside-down in them. And, worst of all, we don't bat an eye when Ari Fleischer tells us to "be careful what you say," even if we remember having been told somewhere back in school that America is the land of the free. We simply buy that one too.
Our schooling, as intended, has seen to it.

Now for the good news. Once you understand the logic behind modern schooling, its tricks and traps are fairly easy to avoid.

School trains children to be employees and consumers; teach your own to be leaders and adventurers. 
School trains children to obey reflexively; teach your own to think critically and independently.

Well-schooled kids have a low threshold for boredom; help your own to develop an inner life so that they'll never be bored. Urge them to take on the serious material, the grown-up material, in history, literature, philosophy, music, art, economics, theology - all the stuff schoolteachers know well enough to avoid.

Challenge your kids with plenty of solitude so that they can learn to enjoy their own company, to conduct inner dialogues.
Well-schooled people are conditioned to dread being alone, and they seek constant companionship through the TV, the computer, the cell phone, and through shallow friendships quickly acquired and quickly abandoned.

Your children should have a more meaningful life, and they can.

First, though, we must wake up to what our schools really are: laboratories of experimentation on young minds, drill centers for the habits and attitudes that corporate society demands. Mandatory education serves children only incidentally; its real purpose is to turn them into servants. Don't let your own have their childhoods extended, not even for a day. If David Farragut could take command of a captured British warship as a pre-teen, if Thomas Edison could publish a broadsheet at the age of twelve, if Ben Franklin could apprentice himself to a printer at the same age (then put himself through a course of study that would choke a Yale senior today), there's no telling what your own kids could do. After a long life, and thirty years in the public school trenches, I've concluded that genius is as common as dirt. We suppress our genius only because we haven't yet figured out how to manage a population of educated men and women.

The solution, I think, is simple and glorious.

Let them manage themselves.

Feminism, socialism, cultural marxism, liberalism, neo-con imperialism. All are -isms designed to get us to plug ourselves firmly into the Matrix of Human Resource Control. The red pills we discuss in teh MAndrosphere are all related to all these aspects. How we eat. How we sleep. How we fight, how we fuck, how we breed. How we parent.

To reiterate Gatto's primary point:  

"Well-schooled people are conditioned to dread being alone, and they seek constant companionship through the TV, the computer, the cell phone, and through shallow friendships quickly acquired and quickly abandoned."

If Gatto where to write this article today, I'm sure he'd have included the cause of the Palm Zombie Apocalypse: MADs - the Mobile Affirmation Devices. (credit to Farm Boy and an Observer for that one!)

The system was designed to make us go mad. Deliberately so.

Teh MAndrosphere is the grass roots, counter-cultural push back...a movement of speaking truth to power. In there own ways, each niche or variation of Teh MAndrosphere contributes to this quest for these ugly truths in a world of beautiful lies.

The PUA lifestyle is not for me...but that doesn't mean I have nothing to learn from their own experiences they share here. Same goes for the White Nationalists. Same goes for the MGTOW, the anti-feminist MRM perspectives. Take what knowledge and experience each faction offers can contribute to your overall knowledge, and figure out the ways to make the best of our own individual situations.

To attempt to change the mainstream is like trying to use a fan to blow away a hurricane. To get swept up in some kind of collective place your hopes for change in any kind of collective action through mainstream approved courses of action are all destined for failure to make any meaningful changes.

Go your own way.

Let us manage ourselves the best we can, to find the ways and means to live life as best we can given our individual situations and circumstances where ever we may happen to be in this Brave New World Order.


Revo Luzione said...

Solid, enlightening, powerful post.

Thanks for the links on the Gatto stuff.

Great work, Keoni.

You are a strong voice in the Mandrosphere--and nice way to coin a term, BTW.



IrishFarmer said...

Practically speaking, most people aren't in a position to tell the difference between a corporate conspiracy to destroy society, or society's incompetence destroying a society. So I won't argue against the conspiracy.

The only problem I have with blaming a conspiracy is that, much like easy credit and easy divorce, it's easy. None of the choices you make are your responsibility, after all how are you supposed to stop a global corporate conspiracy? What can you do?

Easy credit is easy because the economy can support it, it was the people who used credit to be irresponsible who turned easy credit into a way of learning fiscally irresponsible behaviors.

We aspired to be more than we were, because we felt that we deserved more than we had (we're good enough, we deserve it right?), so we used the good economy's easy credit to actualize our "better" selves by living lives that are lies.

People wouldn't allow themselves to live within their means, because they "knew" deep down they were better than that.

The problem with blaming this on global corporations is that the better off EVERYONE is, the better off corporations are. In a good economy, with a healthy middle class making lots of money, the corporations make lots of money and the economy chugs along. As people become more selfish, and ultimate more fiscally irresponsible and so on, even businesses are worse off. Yes, people can buy things on credit, but when someone is poorer than they need to be, they cannot consume properly.

They cannot invest (even a savings account is used by the bank to invest), and they live paycheck to paycheck with a few flashy things they bought on credit.

The other problem I have is that you've created a catch-22. If the economy sucks, there's no easy credit, and life is harder, then it sucks. But if life is good, lenders are quick to give out credit, and we fail to use it properly then we're still screwed? It sounds like what you're saying is that we're too rich for our own good. We can't handle all of these freedoms, these choices. And on the whole that seems to be true, but there's nothing stopping anyone from living within their means. We're not so controlled by corporations that we cannot aspire (and succeed) to start a business for ourselves. We're not so controlled that we are unable to create a proper retirement and savings. And so on. It seems so strange that as a society, the better off we are, the worse off we are.

Stingray said...


If I remember correctly you have mentioned homeschooling paleo-baby. Have you all decided on a program yet? If you are still searching, going back to the Trivium is something you might be interested in looking into.

Here is an excellent place to start.

Matt Forney said...

I'll repost the comment I left at Frost's:

Allow me to make a metaphor.

Any outdoorsman knows that if you need to get water out in the wild, you never drink from stagnant sources like swamps, because they’re always filthy and dirty. Flowing water is clean water; creeks, brooks, rivers. Drinking stagnant water will make you sick, maybe even kill you.

The manosphere is moving water, a stream that purifies and cleanses, takes you new places, but is never in the same place for long. The haters—the “anti-gamers,” the MGTOW virgins, the MRAs—are stagnant water. They sit on the Internet for all eternity, their hatred and misery multiplying, poisoning all they touch.

The Political Gourmet said...

The system was designed to make us go mad. Deliberately so.

This, 1000x. It's interesting that people are so transfixed by the notion of zombies being some fantastic by-product of biological warfare, when it's not nearly so complicated or dramatic as all that. The zombies are already upon us, peoples minds are belong to their government(s), as is their labor. Madness begets madness, as it turns out.

Let us manage ourselves the best we can, to find the ways and means to live life as best we can

This is so perfectly right. Amen.

Anonymous said...

Matt demonstrates with his attack on the MRM, a very popular thing right now, why men have been able to do nothing in the last 45 years to stop the feminist steam roller.

Men get off on attacking other men, ridiculing. mocking, belittling them, for any reason whatsoever.

girlwriteswhat commented about the feminist attack on the MRA, that they claim MRA's are nothing; have nothing to say; etc. S0, she asks, why do they spend so much time and energy worrying about them.

The same question is relevant for all the bloggers who have been spending so much time doing as Matt has done.

One common attack is to point out that MRA's are mostly old men. Of course. Young men are still full of piss and vinegar, and still think they can rule the world. Old men have learned the hard way that what their critics think should be done, first, has already been tried and, second, always failed. Old men know it's stupid to keep trying the same thing that has been tried for 45 years.

Anonymous age 70

Justin said...

Great post. It SHOULD be all about freedom from brainwashing, and individual empowerment, with a sympathic heart for the suffering of our fellow man.

Yet, right on cue, Matt Forney exemplifies the dickhead Gamer instinct, those who love to piss in the punchbowl, lobbing shit bombs at MRA and "anti-Gamers", totally unprovoked, just as a matter of principle, apparently.

Anon 70 has it right. Men love nothing more than to crush other men, for whatever the cause. As he has testified on numerous occasions, there never will be a Men's Movement, because men are essentially pricks and assholes who cannot work together for anything beyond a temporary raiding party to victimize other men.

Keoni, the system works because it caters precisely to men majority nature: to pedastalize pussy and climb over other men's backs to get it. This is the heart and sole of Gamer-ism, a perfect expression of Animal Man: struggling to be the Alpha Male, the harem owner, over and above all the losers Betas.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. What fellowship can light have with darkness? None.

Brian said...

John Taylor Gatto's "Underground History of American Education" is one of the most eye-opening exposes of the beast I have ever seen. No man's education is complete until Gatto's book has been devoured

Matt Forney said...

Anonymous age 70:

The same question is relevant for all the bloggers who have been spending so much time doing as Matt has done.

"So much time"? A comment I copypasted from another blog that I banged out in thirty seconds? Try again, snookums.

The reason the MRM fails is because it's filled with crybabies like you and Justin whose "activism" consists of commenting on blogs. "Waaah haaah,! *sniffle*" You're pathetic.

When was the last time either of you "men" did anything substantive in the real world? Posted flyers, organized protests, done anything other than mewl about how mean and nasty the wimmenz are to you?

There's a reason why "bitching" is a synonym for "whining": it's what women do. Men take action. The "gamers," whatever their faults, are Men of Action. They don't talk, they do.

So keep whining about how unfair the family courts are (even though you're not married). I'll keep lifting, hitchhiking, writing and generally being awesome. In ten years, we'll see who's better off.

Anonymous said...

Justin and Anon70 are correct. Every single time someone talks about the diversity of the manosphere, it's you Gamecocks who come out and attack the rest of us with your VERY FEMINIST shaming-language.

If an anti-Gamer goes onto a Game blog, he's promptly banned, moderated, or shouted down. Yet you guys intrude everywhere into the Manosphere, throwing your weight around and treating the rest of us with contempt for not following your pseudoscience. You remind me of a bunch of Moonies or Scientologists.

Anonymous said...

If you haven't seen this, it's worth watching in context of Gatto's work and others. This is a 10-minute animated documentary produced by Walt Disney in 1943. Note the eerie parallels between the Germany of then and the America of today; especially relating to social workers and public schools.

Ian Ironwood said...

Both sides. STFU and listen.

This organic thing called the Manosphere/Androsphere (I prefer the former for marketing reasons) must include ALL areas of masculine interests and male issues. Getting laid is a male issue. So is social justice. You can do both. They are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, using social justice as a pretext to get tail is high art, and using Game to achieve social justice is just delicious.

What you are both missing is the fact that both diverse viewpoints are part of a revalorization of masculinity that encompasses all areas of masculine endeavor. There's no reason why you can't be an advocate for the rights of men as men AND get pussy. (Unless you're a Lambda, in which case you're Game is totally different anyway.) From an MRM perspective, the pro-Game movement is part of a Puerarchy that can be used to threaten feminism at a grass roots level (the "Flying Monkey Effect") while from the PUA perspective the MRM allows a helpful sense of refuge and solidarity that the competitive PUA community rarely offers them. PUAs/pro-Gamers are shock troops, MRAs are thought leaders and vebral foils. If the MRAs would not just respect the right of PUAs to devote their lives to pussy but support it as an essential masculine interest and male reproductive right, then all this useless sniping would dissipate. Dudes, get it together.

On another topic, after having studied conspiracy theories for decades, I've come to the conclusion that those who indulge in conspiracy chasing are often convinced that there is some sinister organized effort to control everything behind the scenes because the alternative scenario -- a universe in which no one whatsoever is really "in charge" or "controlling everything" -- is far, far more psychologically terrifying to them.

Anyway, y'all get it together. We've got work to do. And great post, Keoni. The Red Pill is more than a Mating Strategy, but without acknowledging and understanding that aspect of it the rest isn't going to have the same emotional impact. We're men. Our penises are very important to us. Talk to them, you talk to us.

BB said...

Great post! I agree with almost everything you wrote. Except, can I nominate Fred Reed as father of the manosphere? He was already aware over ten years ago, warning in his columns against marriage and the managerial society (what you call HR). Moreover he was an early MGTOWer until he went soft (beta? lol!) and married a Mexican.

Anonymous said...

Machiavelli taught how every male should view the world long ago, and how he should live his life.

You are only a victim of the present indoctrination if you let yourself be. If you laugh at it and use it to benefit you and make your life better, that is when you supersede all of the artificial constraints on your life. Sure you will be vilified, by liberals who will tell you you're evil, and all sorts of other things. But who cares?

Aren't they the ones the teach there are no moral absolutes? So embrace it - you are your only compass, so why not chose life that benefits you - at the expense of others or not, is all superfluous. Enjoy - that is the only mantra that matters... So use the useful idiots, whether they be Feminists, White Knights, Beta males, or Conservatives - they are all useful at times - use them.

The key is to be what is best for yourself. Let them scream and yell - they will regardless of what you do, so you might as well do what you want and not worry about it.

Dr. Illusion said...

As a Man and blogger who fits into no category, I can understand both of your arguments.

Most self proclaimer MRAs have been screwed over in a divorce, a false rape case, or a false DV case. That shit sucks. MRAs are reactive, not proavtive.

So calles Gamers, on the other hand, are proactive. They don't get married, they screw random chicks and never give their real name. They take women to hotels, or go to the chicks place. If they are smart.

But where did this new generation of men (gamers) learn which pitfalls to look out for? From whom did they learn NOT to marry? From whos stories did they learn the dangers of women?

The MRAs, that's who. Without these angry, bitter men being put through Hell and telling their stories, how would other men recognize the danger?

We all have a place. Aside from me, of course. The Manosphere is evolvilng. Titles like PUA, GAME, MRA, MGTOW are holding us back.

I have Game, but I'm also a Southern Gentleman. I will never marry, but I love having a woman to come home to. I respect the MRAs for going through all they have and not eating a gun barrel. Hell, I'm also a survivalist.

The sphere has to evolve. Screw the factions and the niches. I will leave you with two qoutes.

"You cannot learn anything until you realize you know nothing."

"Demons run when a good man goes to war."

Anonymous said...

I find it highly amusing how most people who say they've taken the red pill are completely clueless when it comes to race.

Anonymous said...

Cheers for the linkage in your sidebar brother, have just added you to mine as well.