tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post1418385420693879616..comments2024-03-23T13:16:37.006-07:00Comments on Hawaiian libertarian: Why Teh MAndrosphere?Keoni Galthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00842553742723239151noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-3901193410644333382012-12-02T20:27:27.492-08:002012-12-02T20:27:27.492-08:00Cheers for the linkage in your sidebar brother, ha...Cheers for the linkage in your sidebar brother, have just added you to mine as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-8310047257227237422012-11-30T21:11:07.293-08:002012-11-30T21:11:07.293-08:00I find it highly amusing how most people who say t...I find it highly amusing how most people who say they've taken the red pill are completely clueless when it comes to race. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-32054048164571684992012-11-29T07:51:15.228-08:002012-11-29T07:51:15.228-08:00As a Man and blogger who fits into no category, I ...As a Man and blogger who fits into no category, I can understand both of your arguments. <br /><br />Most self proclaimer MRAs have been screwed over in a divorce, a false rape case, or a false DV case. That shit sucks. MRAs are reactive, not proavtive.<br /><br />So calles Gamers, on the other hand, are proactive. They don't get married, they screw random chicks and never give their real name. They take women to hotels, or go to the chicks place. If they are smart.<br /><br />But where did this new generation of men (gamers) learn which pitfalls to look out for? From whom did they learn NOT to marry? From whos stories did they learn the dangers of women?<br /><br />The MRAs, that's who. Without these angry, bitter men being put through Hell and telling their stories, how would other men recognize the danger?<br /><br />We all have a place. Aside from me, of course. The Manosphere is evolvilng. Titles like PUA, GAME, MRA, MGTOW are holding us back. <br /><br />I have Game, but I'm also a Southern Gentleman. I will never marry, but I love having a woman to come home to. I respect the MRAs for going through all they have and not eating a gun barrel. Hell, I'm also a survivalist. <br /><br />The sphere has to evolve. Screw the factions and the niches. I will leave you with two qoutes.<br /><br />"You cannot learn anything until you realize you know nothing."<br /><br />"Demons run when a good man goes to war."Dr. Illusionhttp://blog.illusionofsanity.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-8830206564277150282012-11-27T12:31:00.850-08:002012-11-27T12:31:00.850-08:00Machiavelli taught how every male should view the ...Machiavelli taught how every male should view the world long ago, and how he should live his life. <br /><br />You are only a victim of the present indoctrination if you let yourself be. If you laugh at it and use it to benefit you and make your life better, that is when you supersede all of the artificial constraints on your life. Sure you will be vilified, by liberals who will tell you you're evil, and all sorts of other things. But who cares?<br /><br />Aren't they the ones the teach there are no moral absolutes? So embrace it - you are your only compass, so why not chose life that benefits you - at the expense of others or not, is all superfluous. Enjoy - that is the only mantra that matters... So use the useful idiots, whether they be Feminists, White Knights, Beta males, or Conservatives - they are all useful at times - use them. <br /><br />The key is to be what is best for yourself. Let them scream and yell - they will regardless of what you do, so you might as well do what you want and not worry about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-90493982088164715742012-11-27T09:23:15.296-08:002012-11-27T09:23:15.296-08:00Great post! I agree with almost everything you wro...Great post! I agree with almost everything you wrote. Except, can I nominate Fred Reed as father of the manosphere? He was already aware over ten years ago, warning in his columns against marriage and the managerial society (what you call HR). Moreover he was an early MGTOWer until he went soft (beta? lol!) and married a Mexican.BBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-77718226351453539082012-11-27T08:05:32.654-08:002012-11-27T08:05:32.654-08:00Both sides. STFU and listen.
This organic thing ...Both sides. STFU and listen.<br /><br />This organic thing called the Manosphere/Androsphere (I prefer the former for marketing reasons) must include ALL areas of masculine interests and male issues. Getting laid is a male issue. So is social justice. You can do both. They are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, using social justice as a pretext to get tail is high art, and using Game to achieve social justice is just delicious. <br /><br />What you are both missing is the fact that both diverse viewpoints are part of a revalorization of masculinity that encompasses all areas of masculine endeavor. There's no reason why you can't be an advocate for the rights of men as men AND get pussy. (Unless you're a Lambda, in which case you're Game is totally different anyway.) From an MRM perspective, the pro-Game movement is part of a Puerarchy that can be used to threaten feminism at a grass roots level (the "Flying Monkey Effect") while from the PUA perspective the MRM allows a helpful sense of refuge and solidarity that the competitive PUA community rarely offers them. PUAs/pro-Gamers are shock troops, MRAs are thought leaders and vebral foils. If the MRAs would not just respect the right of PUAs to devote their lives to pussy but support it as an essential masculine interest and male reproductive right, then all this useless sniping would dissipate. Dudes, get it together.<br /><br />On another topic, after having studied conspiracy theories for decades, I've come to the conclusion that those who indulge in conspiracy chasing are often convinced that there is some sinister organized effort to control everything behind the scenes because the alternative scenario -- a universe in which <i>no one whatsoever </i> is really "in charge" or "controlling everything" -- is far, far more psychologically terrifying to them. <br /><br />Anyway, y'all get it together. We've got work to do. And great post, Keoni. The Red Pill is more than a Mating Strategy, but without acknowledging and understanding that aspect of it the rest isn't going to have the same emotional impact. We're men. Our penises are very important to us. Talk to them, you talk to us.Ian Ironwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776355241706284910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-19239155944303520362012-11-25T18:25:25.931-08:002012-11-25T18:25:25.931-08:00Keoni:
If you haven't seen this, it's wor...Keoni:<br /> If you haven't seen this, it's worth watching in context of Gatto's work and others. This is a 10-minute animated documentary produced by Walt Disney in 1943. Note the eerie parallels between the Germany of then and the America of today; especially relating to social workers and public schools.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8bCuNiJ-NI&featureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-20098984991786149032012-11-25T18:17:54.247-08:002012-11-25T18:17:54.247-08:00Matt:
Justin and Anon70 are correct. Every single...Matt:<br /> Justin and Anon70 are correct. Every single time someone talks about the diversity of the manosphere, it's you Gamecocks who come out and attack the rest of us with your VERY FEMINIST shaming-language.<br /><br /> If an anti-Gamer goes onto a Game blog, he's promptly banned, moderated, or shouted down. Yet you guys intrude everywhere into the Manosphere, throwing your weight around and treating the rest of us with contempt for not following your pseudoscience. You remind me of a bunch of Moonies or Scientologists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-30922378952203115702012-11-25T09:07:13.776-08:002012-11-25T09:07:13.776-08:00Anonymous age 70:
The same question is relevant f...Anonymous age 70:<br /><br /><i>The same question is relevant for all the bloggers who have been spending so much time doing as Matt has done.</i><br /><br />"So much time"? A comment I copypasted from another blog that I banged out in thirty seconds? Try again, snookums.<br /><br />The reason the MRM fails is because it's filled with crybabies like you and Justin whose "activism" consists of commenting on blogs. "Waaah haaah, stop...shaming...me! *sniffle*" You're pathetic.<br /><br />When was the last time either of you "men" did anything substantive in the real world? Posted flyers, organized protests, done <i>anything</i> other than mewl about how mean and nasty the wimmenz are to you?<br /><br />There's a reason why "bitching" is a synonym for "whining": it's what women do. Men take action. The "gamers," whatever their faults, are Men of Action. They don't talk, they do.<br /><br />So keep whining about how unfair the family courts are (even though you're not married). I'll keep lifting, hitchhiking, writing and generally being awesome. In ten years, we'll see who's better off.Matt Forneyhttp://mattforney.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-1399250473352789752012-11-24T21:10:51.194-08:002012-11-24T21:10:51.194-08:00John Taylor Gatto's "Underground History ...John Taylor Gatto's "Underground History of American Education" is one of the most eye-opening exposes of the beast I have ever seen. No man's education is complete until Gatto's book has been devouredBriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-19510290015208368762012-11-24T19:12:07.929-08:002012-11-24T19:12:07.929-08:00Great post. It SHOULD be all about freedom from ...Great post. It SHOULD be all about freedom from brainwashing, and individual empowerment, with a sympathic heart for the suffering of our fellow man. <br /><br />Yet, right on cue, Matt Forney exemplifies the dickhead Gamer instinct, those who love to piss in the punchbowl, lobbing shit bombs at MRA and "anti-Gamers", totally unprovoked, just as a matter of principle, apparently.<br /><br />Anon 70 has it right. Men love nothing more than to crush other men, for whatever the cause. As he has testified on numerous occasions, there never will be a Men's Movement, because men are essentially pricks and assholes who cannot work together for anything beyond a temporary raiding party to victimize other men. <br /><br />Keoni, the system works because it caters precisely to men majority nature: to pedastalize pussy and climb over other men's backs to get it. This is the heart and sole of Gamer-ism, a perfect expression of Animal Man: struggling to be the Alpha Male, the harem owner, over and above all the losers Betas. <br /><br />A house divided against itself cannot stand. What fellowship can light have with darkness? None.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023125641719686613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-6263731409513563342012-11-24T12:46:36.438-08:002012-11-24T12:46:36.438-08:00Matt demonstrates with his attack on the MRM, a ve...Matt demonstrates with his attack on the MRM, a very popular thing right now, why men have been able to do nothing in the last 45 years to stop the feminist steam roller.<br /><br />Men get off on attacking other men, ridiculing. mocking, belittling them, for any reason whatsoever.<br /><br />girlwriteswhat commented about the feminist attack on the MRA, that they claim MRA's are nothing; have nothing to say; etc. S0, she asks, why do they spend so much time and energy worrying about them.<br /><br />The same question is relevant for all the bloggers who have been spending so much time doing as Matt has done.<br /><br />One common attack is to point out that MRA's are mostly old men. Of course. Young men are still full of piss and vinegar, and still think they can rule the world. Old men have learned the hard way that what their critics think should be done, first, has already been tried and, second, always failed. Old men know it's stupid to keep trying the same thing that has been tried for 45 years.<br /><br />Anonymous age 70<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-32045942288981742412012-11-24T09:51:40.400-08:002012-11-24T09:51:40.400-08:00The system was designed to make us go mad. Deliber...<i>The system was designed to make us go mad. Deliberately so.</i><br /><br />This, 1000x. It's interesting that people are so transfixed by the notion of zombies being some fantastic by-product of biological warfare, when it's not nearly so complicated or dramatic as all that. The zombies are already upon us, peoples minds are belong to their government(s), as is their labor. Madness begets madness, as it turns out.<br /><br /><i>Let us manage ourselves the best we can, to find the ways and means to live life as best we can</i><br /><br />This is so perfectly right. Amen.The Political Gourmethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557344171202683099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-47882431564875516342012-11-24T07:54:21.041-08:002012-11-24T07:54:21.041-08:00I'll repost the comment I left at Frost's:...I'll repost the comment I left at Frost's:<br /><br />Allow me to make a metaphor.<br /><br />Any outdoorsman knows that if you need to get water out in the wild, you <em>never</em> drink from stagnant sources like swamps, because they’re always filthy and dirty. Flowing water is clean water; creeks, brooks, rivers. Drinking stagnant water will make you sick, maybe even kill you.<br /><br />The manosphere is moving water, a stream that purifies and cleanses, takes you new places, but is never in the same place for long. The haters—the “anti-gamers,” the MGTOW virgins, the MRAs—are stagnant water. They sit on the Internet for all eternity, their hatred and misery multiplying, poisoning all they touch.Matt Forneyhttp://mattforney.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-73547000971720616772012-11-24T07:31:45.263-08:002012-11-24T07:31:45.263-08:00Keoni,
If I remember correctly you have mentioned...Keoni,<br /><br />If I remember correctly you have mentioned homeschooling paleo-baby. Have you all decided on a program yet? If you are still searching, going back to the Trivium is something you might be interested in looking into. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Well-Trained-Mind-Guide-Classical-Education/dp/0393067084" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is an excellent place to start. Stingrayhttp://www.verusconditio.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-52018708040150282072012-11-24T07:11:36.088-08:002012-11-24T07:11:36.088-08:00Practically speaking, most people aren't in a ...Practically speaking, most people aren't in a position to tell the difference between a corporate conspiracy to destroy society, or society's incompetence destroying a society. So I won't argue against the conspiracy. <br /><br />The only problem I have with blaming a conspiracy is that, much like easy credit and easy divorce, it's easy. None of the choices you make are your responsibility, after all how are you supposed to stop a global corporate conspiracy? What can you do?<br /><br />Easy credit is easy because the economy can support it, it was the people who used credit to be irresponsible who turned easy credit into a way of learning fiscally irresponsible behaviors. <br /><br />We aspired to be more than we were, because we felt that we deserved more than we had (we're good enough, we deserve it right?), so we used the good economy's easy credit to actualize our "better" selves by living lives that are lies. <br /><br />People wouldn't allow themselves to live within their means, because they "knew" deep down they were better than that. <br /><br />The problem with blaming this on global corporations is that the better off EVERYONE is, the better off corporations are. In a good economy, with a healthy middle class making lots of money, the corporations make lots of money and the economy chugs along. As people become more selfish, and ultimate more fiscally irresponsible and so on, even businesses are worse off. Yes, people can buy things on credit, but when someone is poorer than they need to be, they cannot consume properly. <br /><br />They cannot invest (even a savings account is used by the bank to invest), and they live paycheck to paycheck with a few flashy things they bought on credit. <br /><br />The other problem I have is that you've created a catch-22. If the economy sucks, there's no easy credit, and life is harder, then it sucks. But if life is good, lenders are quick to give out credit, and we fail to use it properly then we're still screwed? It sounds like what you're saying is that we're too rich for our own good. We can't handle all of these freedoms, these choices. And on the whole that seems to be true, but there's nothing stopping anyone from living within their means. We're not so controlled by corporations that we cannot aspire (and succeed) to start a business for ourselves. We're not so controlled that we are unable to create a proper retirement and savings. And so on. It seems so strange that as a society, the better off we are, the worse off we are. IrishFarmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660604957080273563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-76899291449337489092012-11-23T20:38:00.245-08:002012-11-23T20:38:00.245-08:00Solid, enlightening, powerful post.
Thanks for t...Solid, enlightening, powerful post. <br /><br />Thanks for the links on the Gatto stuff. <br /><br />Great work, Keoni.<br /><br />You are a strong voice in the Mandrosphere--and nice way to coin a term, BTW. <br /><br />Cheers, <br /><br />RevoRevo Luzionenoreply@blogger.com