When I wrote my last entry on Friday and left the office for the weekend (I don't have internet access at home,) I expected that post would garner some responses...I even expected an angry MGTOW or two...but the replies have been mostly pretty well thought and expressed logically.
However, there was a lot more commentary than I expected, so rather than try to respond in the comments, I'm just going to post this in response.
There may indeed by men in MGTOW who use it as an excuse for personal failures, but I hope other men do not start painting all MGTOW that way. The last thing we need is more men enemies of men. That has been the norm for 45 years, and the reason things have turned as bad as they are.
I was very conscious of this, which is why I did try to write my last post without naming any names or linking to any examples of what I was referring to...I was merely trying to be a voice of reason to perhaps inspire some men to really look honestly at themselves and their decisions they make in their lives. It's all well and good for a MGTOW to shun relationships with women...but he may one day look back and realize he did have an opportunity to have a wife and family with a good woman, but his ideological zeal kept him from realizing his potential.
But, after examining the whole dating scene, I decided that the 'prize', an Ameriskank, wasn't worth the effort.
I'd agree with you there...afterall, if my wife were an Ameriskank, I would be divorced right now. My only point to you is that while feminism has screwed up society to an unbelievable extent right now, not all women have fallen under it's hideous spell. By all means Mark, nothing wrong with protecting yourself from falling prey to a female that can and will screw you over under our current regime...but on the other hand, don't let it poison you to the point where you find yourself with the opportunity should you actually come across a woman who would be worthy of getting involved with. For instance, have a read of Kim's blog, Equal but Different. If you met a young, single version of a lady like her who expressed the same thoughts and ideas, you telling me you'd write her off as an Ameriskank and hit the road?
If it works for you, then fine. But do you honestly believe that -- all other things being equal -- your relationship would have endured if your wife were an American citizen? No? Neither do I.
I'll beg to differ...but I will definitely concede that the chances of finding an American girl worthy of a long term relationship, marriage and child bearing is getting increasingly harder and harder as the feminist zeitgeist continues to ascend in cultural dominance - but there are still some good ones out there. Afterall, I THINK I married one. (I say think, because nothing is ever 100% in this life, of course).
Can a woman add to my peace, satisfaction and tranquility? Certainly if her values and mine are similar. But that has not happened much in my life and I'm not willing to surrender my values for hers if hers differ.
I concur with this 100%. If you do indeed want to get married and have children, this needs to be your number one means of measuring and weighing her worthiness for you making yourself vulnerable to the feminist system. Be true to yourself, and if you can, find a woman whose values match yours before you even begin to think about committing to her.
As to applying this PUA stuff to marriage, I don't think it will work. Married women simply don't want to have sex with their husbands. They find it to be a boring, tiring chore that they get no pleasure from. Married women do not give their husband "shit tests," they just flatly refuse to have sex with them. There is no clever comeback to that.
You don't have to take my word for it, but I tell you that you are wrong in this regard.
The "PUA" really deals with analyzing and applying what kinds of behaviors work to turn a woman's attraction on or off. The wife that doesn't want to have sex with her husband anymore is the wife that is really not attracted to him anymore...and he has his own role to play in that state of affairs as well.
Married women certainly DO shit test their husbands. If you read the link I provided from the Reality Method, you would understand that the "Shit Test" is really an intrinsic part of the female psyche - it's her subconscious desire to ensure that her mate has enough dominant genes worthy to inseminate her eggs. I can tell you this...for the first 7 years of my marriage, my relationship was on a deteriorating arc, as I continually failed her "shit tests." Yes, the sex became almost non-existent, and we fought all the time, and I was actually headed towards the brink of divorce. Once I discovered the whole MRA/MGTOW/PUA blogosphere (and I group them all together, because as a whole, they are all dedicated to finding the basic truths and exposing the LIES of our socially engineered feminist society), and especially the Reality Method's post on "Shit Tests" it was like a dramatic turnaround in our relationship.
I've been married 10 and a half years now. We have never been happier. NEVER. And it's all because I discovered that I had been acting like a beta and turning off all of her attraction cues that she herself is not even consciously aware of...but I am. Thanks to the PUA blogs.
By the way, I have never spent a single dime on pickup artist manuals or coursework or subscriptions or anything like that. I was able to read whatever is out there for free on the internet and learn about the basic truths of female and male mating instincts.
Marriage is supposed to be a reciprocal arrangement; both partners are supposed to sometimes do things for the other partner that they don't necessarily feel like. And, for men, the main thing that his wife can do for him is have sex with him.
I'll certainly agree with you there. All I'm saying is that I went through a period of our marriage where she did look at sex like a chore...which is because she didn't even consciously realize it, but she was no longer attracted to me because I had turned into a spineless beta. Needless to say, things are MUCH different now....even better than when we were both hormone raging teenagers infatuated with each other.
In other words, I "GAME" my wife, and she is not bored...and it's really not that hard to do once you figure it out.
While I enjoy reading the blogs, I have no desire to learn and practice PUA techniques. I am not a dominant male, I dislike dominant males, and have no desire (or energy) to go through life pretending I'm somebody I'm not. Men shouldn't have to learn "game", Instead women should evolve to the point where it doesn't work on them. But they require it, the result is the downfall of Western civilization. Got popcorn?
I just want to be clear - PUA "techniques" are really nothing more than recognizing what women are attracted to on an instinctual level. I don't "fake" anything, I don't pretend to be somebody that I'm not. In fact, I would say to you that having "game" is nothing more than developing a conscious awareness and development of your social skills with the opposite gender. Yeah, there are some PUA that are over-the-top machismo dominant alpha's and all that that entails...but that doesn't mean you have to put up a front and fake being one of those types.
"Game" just reconnects men with their traditional role of masculinity. The feminist mainstream has tried it's hardest to screw that up and emasculate men from their own "game." Following the cultural cues of worshiping women as goddesses is in fact a deliberate social engineering ploy designed to create the gender war we are now in.
I close with a fundamental question: If a man is decent chap who plays by the rules yet a woman finds that boring, why are we asking HIM to change and be something he's not?
Anon, you wrote a very long response...but let me be clear here: there is definitely a difference between PUA gaming girls to run up a notch count of conquest...and that certainly entails "being a jerk." But what I'm referring to has nothing to do with that...I'm talking about learning the specific cues that women are biologically attracted to and what turns off that attraction.
Look, I think one of the best ways I can try to get my point across is to refer you guys to the writing of John Ross from Ross in Range. This guy is NOT a PUA...but he is what a PUA would call a "natural."
His most recent article is the perfect example of what I'm referring to...
Women, Teasing, Tests, One-itis & Hope
Follow that up by reading this.
Learning About Women at a Young Age
In short, grovelling, trying to bribe her or acquiescing to her every whim and demand, i.e. treating her like a goddess, is what society constantly tries to instill in us as to how men should treat women. That behavior drives women away, not increase their attraction for you.
In the end, I have to say that I'm not trying to judge anyone, or to try and put myself above MGTOW guys...and if you know what work's best for you, great.
My only real point is that not ALL women are gold digging whors just waiting for their chance to suck you in and chain into wage slavery. Some ARE suitable wife and mother material...and if you do find one, it helps to understand what pushes her attraction buttons on basic, biological level. Than it's just a matter of continuing to push those buttons...and I think once you know how to do that, you have a much greater chance of having a long term, successful and happy relationship.
Can it still end up badly for you or me? Of course...but than no one ever said life was without danger.