Most regular readers of my humble little blog are probably aware of the recent spat between PUA & MRA sectors of the manosphere.
I think I'm in a rather unique position on this topic, as I initially started this blog as an MRA blog...and as I eventually discovered the PUA blogosphere and began to study Game theory, I incorporated it into developing a "big picture" in my mind and in my writing here regarding our current Brave New World Order dystopia.
I never saw any inherent fault line or schism between the two spheres. I think it's entirely unnecessary....I believe they both serve important spheres of influence for men (and women) to learn from, and that men should simply learn all that they can from the multitude of views on the various topics and see how they apply to their own lives and their own situations and do the best they can in dealing with the challenges and obstacles our modern dystopia presents us.
Then again, I'm the guy that doesn't believe MRA should mean "Men's Rights Activism" since I've come to the view that our current state of affairs has been deliberately effected, and the political system doesn't need to be "fixed" because it's doing exactly what is intended.
Activism in the confines of the current political system is a dead end.
Which is why I've always said that I identify myself as a MRA - an advocate for Men's Rights Awareness.
No, it is my firm contention that the only real and meaningful way in which the MRA blogosphere CAN effect real change, is on an individual level:
To raise awareness of the truth of the reality that we all live in.
To enable people to see things clearly, so that when they make goals and try to direct their lives towards achieving them, they do so knowing the full score so they can avoid many of the pitfalls our Brave New World Order has created to entrap us all in our deliberately distorted and contorted understanding of the gender roles and how they affect our lives.
MRA/MGTOW blogs gave me a complete understanding of just what the hell is going on in the system; the injustices of the divorce court industry and the true affect the feminist movement has had in socially engineering our modern dystopia.
PUA blogs gave me an understanding of the basic, primal nature of male/female gender roles.
To be perfectly clear here - one of the biggest agitator's on this topic has been a guy who goes by the handle Alek Novy. He conflates anyone and everyone who tries to advocate for GAME THEORY as the exact same thing as PUA shucksters and snake oil salesmen. Yes, there are guys that have sought to make a quick buck off of men's frustrations in today's sexual marketplace.
Understanding GAME THEORY is not the same as promoting $10000 boot camps and seminars or selling $600 CD sets. Alek's entire argument rests on the premise that men don't need to "pay" anything to learn how to have success in trying to hook up with women.
Of course. Most folks who are regular readers/commenters/bloggers in the manosphere don't pay for this shit, and at most are trying to sell E-books like Roosh's Bang. It's not the same as the PUA "industry" that Novy seeks to condemn any and all "gamer" bloggers and commenters.
Guys like Alek are causing disputes where none are necessary.
Now we have people on both sides attacking each other, to no one's benefit and everyone's detriment.
MRA - calling anyone that recognizes the value of Game theory as "pussy beggars" and "Gamers" calling MRA "spineless pussies."
I don't think anything good is going to come from the pending debate between Frost and Elam. It's just going to further fracture the manosphere.
But that's ok.
There's no "winning" here.
What it will do, is provide clarity, so the onlookers can decide which "side" here offers them the viewpoint to improve their own lives and their own struggles.
See, when you look at all of the problems Feminism has given us all to deal with, the root of this evil is collectivism.
Collectivism in a response to the problems of feminist/cultural marxist collectivism is destined to fail.
If you're a newcomer to this section of teh interwebz, my advice to you is to read all these various viewpoints, and figure out for yourself what will give you the best tools to live your life the best you can.
Take for instance, Commenter CaslteD at AvFM's "Chateau Bullshit" article:
Although the term is “Game”, I just simply look at it as dating and relationship advice for men. What’s so bad about that? Good, useful advice, not the crap we’re taught by the women (and white knights) in our families or the lies from mainstream society. Good game advice puts the man first, for once, and modern men need that badly. Feminist brainwashing has done extensive damage to male psychology and I think good game helps men understand the whys and hows of knocking the pussy off the pedestal and keeping the upper hand in relationships.
If you already know how to do that, then congratulations, but don’t act like it’s just a matter of being confident, acting aloof, being yourself, and you’re done! Yeah, right. Meeting women and getting laid isn’t easy for most men, otherwise we wouldn’t have tons written about the subject. Maintaining a healthy relationship isn’t easy either. I’ve seen countless men and young men over the years fuck up chances with girls who showed interest in them because they hadn’t a clue what to do. Some of you guys are older, so perhaps you forgot what it’s like to be a young and horny 20-something year old. They want girls and no amount of, “eh, you don’t need pussy, it’s not a big deal” is going to work on them.
There’s a lot of snake oil out there to sift through of course, like $600 CD sets, and one can bury themselves in the minutia of breaking down female psychology to the sub-atomic level, but if you’re smart you just learn bits and pieces that seem useful and appropriate for you and leave the rest.
Then again I’ve only read a few sites, mainly Roissy of course because he’s also anti-feminist and an entertaining writer. I’m not surprised there’s antagonism between gamers and mras, that’s just men being men and hating each other. It’s why we’re in this position to begin with.
He gets it...and I'm sure he's a lot better for it in his personal life, having discovered both MRA and PUA blogs, and taking the info from each side relevant to his own life and problems. It doesn't have to be either or, no matter what guys like Novy insist.
Think for yourself. Make up your mind, but above all, do so with complete awareness of all the various factors that come into play here.