Sunday, June 26, 2016

Hawaii First State to Put Gun Owners in National FBI Database



So it looks like the classic "pass a bill and sign it on the weekend so it goes down the memory hole by Monday..." tactic just got employed by T.H.E.Y. (The Hierarchy Enslaving You), here in Hawaii.

While the Democrats in congress grabbed all the headlines with their staged 60's college hippie style sit in at the Capitol, Hawaii's leftist stooge Governor just signed away all of the previously confidential personal information of Hawaii's law abiding gun owners to begin filling up the FBI's national gun owners database:

Hawaii Becomes First State to Put Gun Owners in FBI Database

Hawaii Governor David Ige signed the bill Thursday, which allows police to enroll firearms applicants and individuals who are registering their firearms into “Rap Back,” a Federal Bureau of Investigation database that monitors criminal activities by people under investigation or in positions of trust, Reuters reported.
The law takes effect immediately. “Rap Back” allows Hawaii police to be notified when a Hawaii firearm owner is arrested anywhere in the U.S. In addition, the law allows Hawaii police to evaluate whether a firearm owner should continue owning a gun after being arrested.

This move comes after a sit-in by Democrats to support gun control measures that would keep people on the no-fly list from buying a gun.


I just read this bill. What it really looks like to me, is an amendment to Hawaii's original Firearms acquisition and registration legislation to provide gun owners personal data to the FBI. When they first passed the original State gun registration laws, it was stated that all information pertaining to registration would be strictly confidential and only appropriate State Law Enforcement Agencies would be able to access it and usually only under court order.

This new law now requires Hawaii to cross check  input citizen's registration information into a brand new National FBI criminal databases before allowing a person to legally register their firearm here in the State of Hawaii.

Up til now, we've always had a State run background check that used the NICBCS - National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The amendment to this requirement crosses out the NICBCS, and mandates background checks using new FBI database system:

The police department shall perform an inquiry on the applicant using the Criminal Justice Information System and the National Law Enforcement Telecommunications System, including the Immigration and Naturalization Service query therein, National Crime Information Center, National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and pursuant to section 846-2.1 before any determination to register a firearm is made.

Hawaii has always been one of the States the liberal/leftist/progressives have targeted for new legislation T.H.E.Y. eventually want to take nationwide. We have a solid constituency of liberal Democrats that run the State and can be counted on to pass anything the progressive left wants to do. For instance, back in the 90's, Hawaii was the first place they tried to get Same Sex Marriage passed (it failed dramatically as a referendum vote. As liberal as Hawaii is, in the 90's, gay marriage was still largely considered a deviant lifestyle by most of us living here).

Here we are 20 years later and gay marriage is the law of the land in all 50 States....

We are also the first State to have Obamacare styled health care laws passed (even before RomneyCare). When Clinton first got elected in '92 and Hillary tried to spearhead the National health care initiative as the First Lady, she modeled her proposals after Hawaii's employer-provided HMO system.

Here we are almost 30 years later, and Nationalized health care is the law of the land in all 50 States....

Anyhow, the significance of this news appears to me to be this: before this legislation, The State of Hawaii was mandated to keep all Gun registrant info private and confidential, and only allowed to be accessed by court order. Under the old system, Hawaii could only run a check on the NICBCS and if your name popped up, they would deny you the right to register your gun and confiscate it from you.

Now all of Hawaii's gun registration info will be provided to the FBI for these new national Databases aka - the FBI is now creating a national database of all gun owning, law abiding citizens in Hawaii...info such as  name, address, contact info, fingerprints, firearm make and model and serial no., etc.

Hawaii is the first, look for this to eventually spread to all 50 States. All of the blue left coast liberal run States will follow suit quickly, while the red right wing states may put up a token resistance.

I'm rather pessimistic about our centralized Federal Government in D.C. and the FBI and their motives here. It couldn't be more blatant. This is a major step towards total information awareness T.H.E.Y. have been working towards.

Mark my words, T.H.E.Y. want one centralized, nationalized database of ALL U.S. legal gun owners to rule them all...it is the first step towards eventual nationwide gun banning and eventual confiscation. Hawaii is the first....guaranteed we won't be the last.

Let's see how much the pro-Second Amendment groups across the nation take heed to what just happened here this weekend out in the middle of the Pacific.

The war against the Second Amendment for the US has just escalated.




18 comments:

Avraham said...

Something like that happened in NY. First registration was required for certain kinds of guns. There was an clear promise that they would never be confiscated. Then they were confiscated.

Michael Maier said...

Except the compliance rate in NY state was pathetically low, was it not?

Hawaii is probably far more hosed in that it's harder to disappear and smuggling guns and/or persons in and out becomes very problematic.

You simply cannot do this on CONUS. Esp. piecemeal, state by state.

Avraham said...

I do not know. I was not involved nor there at the time. This is the first time that I heard that compliance was low. If so, great! I always harbored a great respect for New Yorkers.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Perhaps it's time to create a database for all the anti-gun legislators and to include details on their residence, address, place of work, business, family members, etc.

Avraham said...

That last idea is a great idea. Give them some of their own medicine.

Ryu said...

Guns are a proxy, a substitute for the real issue.

The second amendment is about resistance to a tyrannical government. Guns by themselves are nothing. They are tools, like a hammer or pencil.

A people who truly want to fight back don't wait for "permissions" or "laws." Not one in 10 Americans will admit that America is evil and must be destroyed as it sits today. That is the real problem.

One has to admire some of the Palestinian and Chinese revolutionaries. Some of them just pick up a knife and go to work. I think that Brit who croaked a politican recently used a knife also.

Jace said...

"The second amendment is about resistance to a tyrannical government. Guns by themselves are nothing. They are tools, like a hammer or pencil."

Except those tools arent designed for the specific purpose of killing multiple people in a matter of seconds.

Artisanal Toad said...

Keoni, after looking at Hawaii's gun laws, I can see that you're dealing with a sad situation, but technology is bypassing that stuff.

As the meaning of the word "acquire" is defined in the relevant Hawaii Revised Statutes dealing with guns, there is a glaring exception for guns you manufacture yourself. They are literally not covered by all those funky registration requirements because the weapon was not "acquired." May I suggest:

https://ghostgunner.net/

Buy a billet of aluminum that's already been finished 80% of the way toward being an AR lower receiver, pop it in the milling machine and 4 hours later you have what the government legally defines as a weapon. Finishing the billet with a drill press can be done, but it takes some skill, patience and time. And the result might be awful.

Since the receiver is actually the weapon and everything else is unregulated parts, this is something Hawaii will probably ban at some point in the future or change their law to cover. Until then it's a good-looking loophole.

For the more privacy minded who don't trust the gubmint, this is the only way I know of to have weapons that do not appear on any list and for which there is no record of its existence. Currently you can do AR-15's, AR-10's and 1911 pistols; if one has a 3D printer to make jigs with, all it takes is the CNC file and you can make it so there's pretty much no limit to what kind of weapon could be made as long as all the other parts are available.

I compared the cost of the ghost gunner to a selection of manual mini-mills and it's about double the cost ($1500 vs ~$750), but no skill is needed and it would probably hold its resale value quite well. It's the kind of thing a shooting club or even a group of friends could all chip in on because it only requires about 4 hours to complete a project. You can build an AR-15 for about $600 or an AR-10 for about $800, in complete privacy. And make as many as your wallet can afford. What this does is shift things over to the ammunition, so in the future look for controls on ammo.

It's completely legal, you just can't sell the weapons you make. I have a buddy who is already planning on building one for him, his wife and each of his children with their initials and family crest on it. Seems like a great "coming of age" present.

Avraham said...

To the commenter here that thought going around stabbing people is commendable: I do not think that is is appropriate to go around stabbing nor shooting people. Nor do I think that that is what the author of this blog was getting at.

Artisanal Toad said...

Avraham, you are absolutely correct! It is NOT appropriate to go around stabbing or shooting tyrants because it makes a horrible mess and lots of noise, which leads to getting caught. There is actually a better way because if done correctly, strangulation with a ligature is more effective, practically silent and far less messy.

But, there might be an even better way. Avraham, let's say you're opposed to killing and you decide to try castration instead. If you don't mind handling their junk, using an elastrator is easy. No blood is shed and after 8-10 hours or so the damage is permanent. Immobilize with a taser, restrain with duct tape and use the elastrator.

Maybe a contest would be appropriate to determine which way works best. One team can implement the "start the bleeding and stop the breathing" techniques while you organize the "stop the breeding after treating with shock" team. It might be interesting to see which team got the best results. Your team would probably have an advantage because while modern women are opposed to violent death, they seem to find great amusement in men being deprived of their balls and dick. Most men, OTOH, would rather die than get castrated.

Hey! You could monetize the notoriety by selling lapel pins made with elastrator bands so people could show their support for the program! I think you're really on to something here, Avraham. This could be really big and you could be right at the forefront of it! You could even start a codpiece boutique that discretely sells codpieces online. There's sure to be a demand for them and you'll already know who your customers will be!

Ryu said...

The US Government goes around shooting and stabbing people.

On a daily basis - they've killed 3 million since their "War on Terror" began. Most Americans applaud kiling when performed by the heroic super soldiers.

I've seen moral Christians who applaud torture and genocide of third world peoples. All while they crow about how free Murka is.

Just be honest - you admire killing when a uniform or badge does it. When a private citizen does the same, it is an "evil monstrocity" or "terrorism."

Avraham said...

To RYU I see your point. I have in fact not been happy about any of the wars the US has been involved with since WWII. Very good of you to point out that just because it is the US government does not make it right.

Anonymous said...

How about hijacked airliners flown into buildings? A car driven over a crowded sidewalk? A car bomb? Guns aren't the only things capable of killing multiple people in a matter of seconds.

Charlie said...

@ Jace: A hammer can be used to bludgeon someone to death, and a pencil can be used to stab someone in the eye or the neck. Of course you probably never have thought about using those tools in that manner. You sound like one of those dim witted city folk who always defer to some nebulous higher authority. Know your fucking place, Jace and stay there.

weka said...

Bro, secede. Your forefathers should have chosen the British Crown: I'm not saying us Pakehas are good and righteous (we are not) but we don't do this kind of shit, and the Brits let NZ go.

The USA might if Obama is too busy feeding his habits. Declare the freedom of the Kingdom of Hawaii. Give the federals three days to leave, cut the benefits, and tell the haoles to either learn how to survive, or go back with them.

Anonymous said...

While I lived in Hawaii I meet a ton of decent dudes to kill sometime with but all the locals were born slaves and wanted more laws about everything but weed

As one of the guys who spent years at the tip of the GWOT spear.... 3 million dead is utter bullshit. Millions of pounds of bullshit

SFC Ton

Anonymous said...

Looks to me like the law is a violation of Article 1, Section 6., Article 1, Section 7., and Article 1, Section 17 of the Hawaii Constitution, and should be challenged on those grounds.

Fatal Jay said...

I hit the enter button to soon........this is what I meant to say..........The government are behind the trolls....but they are also behind the racial comments on sites like facebook, twitter, and youtube.

Always remember, the government and other world governments believe in Order out of Chaos. They never believe in peace because peace does not make money.