tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post7321917477333436358..comments2024-03-19T03:23:27.062-07:00Comments on Hawaiian libertarian: Got Game?Keoni Galthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00842553742723239151noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-39546034113330162392011-11-13T09:39:35.840-08:002011-11-13T09:39:35.840-08:00For a guy raised by a thoroughly beta Father who i...<i>For a guy raised by a thoroughly beta Father who is clueless and didn't explain anything to me when I was a teen, these articles were a serious revelation to me. </i><br /><br />This really is the nub of the issue, HL. As Nietzsche wrote, "If a man has not had a good father, he must create one." The Internet allows men who have had beta fathers (mine is very smart and beta to the max. I remember my Irish friend's drunk father, and how his kids looked forward to his return from work; my father never got that. Failure to lead. He was the result of a broken home.) So many of the older anti-Game people are Baby Boomers, who grew up in a society that had not yet lost its freaking mind, and they likely had two-parent families. Now, not so much. Boys NEED fathers, and if the real one has been removed, then teh interwebz will have to do. As U@ sang, "A link is lost, a chain undone; we wait all day, for night to come."<br /><br /><i>Suddenly, given the insights gained from studying this theory, many men realize how and why events and relationships in their pasts turned out the way they did, where they went right, and in most importantly, where they went wrong.</i><br /><br />This is exactly my thinking as well. When I first discovered Game through a link from TakiMag, it was amusing, like a travelogue of a foreign country I'll never visit. Then I found the Roissy post of your amalgamated comments, Dave, and suddenly the fog lifted.<br /><br />The problem is a religious one afflicting our society. As CS Lewis <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abolition_of_Man" rel="nofollow">wrote</a>, we have become "men without chests." You have helped me to regrow a chest, and to live as MAN, not a superannuated boy. <br /><br />And Game is life. I was presenting at a seminar two months back, and I got a question about handling a difficult student's snide comment. Without pausing, I advised: "Agree and amplify." (This advice given to a feminist, who liked it and thought to adopt it.) Simply, IT WORKS, because it is in alignment with the way things are supposed to be.ElectricAngelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-29283819905177499762011-11-10T06:30:14.657-08:002011-11-10T06:30:14.657-08:00Thanks, Keoni, I appreciate the presentation of th...Thanks, Keoni, I appreciate the presentation of these truths separate from PUA, MRA or any other groupthink. <br /><br />This is the oral tradition that we have lost, and I'm grateful to John Ross for writing it down, and to you for sharing it.Susan Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984275712518966508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-68531581701813536132011-11-09T12:33:53.112-08:002011-11-09T12:33:53.112-08:00Instant classic HL.
Linked and posted at my site....Instant classic HL.<br /><br />Linked and posted at my site.<br /><br />Great postConan the Cimmerianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17649363195230989320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-56239538972191174762011-11-08T10:18:55.396-08:002011-11-08T10:18:55.396-08:00"Above commenter has a good point, thought, i..."Above commenter has a good point, thought, its not like this was from the pre-PUA era."<br /><br />The third article I cited from John Ross was describing his Father's advice to him when he was a 13 year old boy. IIRC, John Ross is now in his 50's. <br /><br />That was certainly 'pre-PUA' era.Keoni Galtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-83989718187120407562011-11-08T10:02:27.327-08:002011-11-08T10:02:27.327-08:00"Above commenter has a good point, thought, i..."Above commenter has a good point, thought, its not like this was from the pre-PUA era."<br /><br />Agreed. This isn't really anything new... but, sadly it is new for a lot of young men who were conditioned by feminized society and culture to be polite, obedient little "nice guys" instead of.. you know, men. <br /><br />Sad that we live in a world were just "acting male" and "being a man" is marketed like it's a super top secret method to get women to like you. Not where we should be, but it's where we are right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-53581452663295519312011-11-08T10:00:58.179-08:002011-11-08T10:00:58.179-08:00Crimson - *not all men are born alpha*.
An alpha ...Crimson - *not all men are born alpha*.<br /><br />An alpha is by definition someone who does his own thing without giving a crap what others think of him. <br /><br />Learning to to do things so women will like you is the surest way to fail at being an alpha. As you correctly note, it will leak out in your body language and facial expression and you will be the kind of weak person who is trying to project strength.We all know those kinds of guys. They are pretty obvious.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-27322424486619678632011-11-08T09:56:53.212-08:002011-11-08T09:56:53.212-08:00Delusion D - Well what can I say, I have never rea...Delusion D - Well what can I say, I have never read "The Game" from Strauss, nor have I ever read Mystery or any other well known Game Guru's book. Hell, the only seduction forum I've ever read was a few threads at SoSauve on occasion. <br /><br />What I think this guys articles show, was applying the PUA theories in explaining the advice he received from his Father when he was 13 years old. I highly doubt there was any such thing as PUA books or a PUA community back when Ross' Dad was explaining the mystery of girls to him. <br /><br />Which is why I say "Game" really used to be the sort of advice Father's who knew what was up gave to their son's.<br /><br />To everyone else - I really don't care to debate this topic. We already had 6 installments at AvFM, several at Chuck's and Frost's, etc. <br /><br />Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that this topic is just something you either understand or you don't. I'm not trying to convince you skeptics or win any kind of debate.<br /><br />I merely share these articles that were basically MY introduction to the topic of Game. For a guy raised by a thoroughly beta Father who is clueless and didn't explain anything to me when I was a teen, these articles were a serious revelation to me.Keoni Galtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-57055711457318447632011-11-08T08:26:09.596-08:002011-11-08T08:26:09.596-08:00"Note: no mention of the words hypergamy or s..."Note: no mention of the words hypergamy or social dominance or manipulation."<br /><br />That is the key. It is good old fashioned man-wisdom, without all the atheistic and nihilistic psuedo-science that the HBDers have injected into it. <br /><br />Above commenter has a good point, thought, its not like this was from the pre-PUA era.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023125641719686613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-9047073503575169532011-11-08T08:18:00.208-08:002011-11-08T08:18:00.208-08:00Thanks for sharing that stuff, I never heard of Jo...Thanks for sharing that stuff, I never heard of John Ross and he´s so on point.Yohamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627262670568039248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-79483829925356514772011-11-08T05:47:04.227-08:002011-11-08T05:47:04.227-08:00very good post brudduh. i'm linking this.very good post brudduh. i'm linking this.dannyfrom504http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-33358908691288862372011-11-08T05:25:08.589-08:002011-11-08T05:25:08.589-08:00What men here call “game education” on the true na...What men here call “game education” on the true nature of women, is only part of the picture. Game’s ultimate motive, or at least the classical examples demonstrated herein from most members, is that it will allow someone to navigate the emotional and social minefield of dating and hook-up culture to ultimately get laid. Coming to a realization about the disgusting, disloyal, dishonorable, misandric, and morally reprehensible nature of the unleashed apathetic beast known as modern woman seems to be a side-effect. Therefore, my proposal is to simply separate the education of the nature of our enemy for the ultimate focus and prime directive of waking up men’s minds to MRA/MGTOW philosophies..nothing more. At the very least, tying in MRA with “game” is going to water down the very legitimate disclosure we have to offer to the general male population regarding misandry and FemiNazi governance. It is the opposite side of the same problem…altering one’s behavior to seek approval from women, instead of being a chivalric white knight, you are being the nonchalant disinterested “bad boy”. Both lack quality of character and anything deeper than the insight towards getting some pussy.<br /><br />Embrace who you are, everything that you have done so far, and accept the character that you have so far cultivated, not for the sake of anything to do with WOEmynn kind, but to forge a destiny free of misandry, and the general bile of modern FemiNazi womanhood. If you give them an inch, they will take a mile. How far are we willing to slide in our moral infrastructure to get a moment’s worth of fleshly pleasure? Isn’t this the kind of thinking that landed us into this misandric shithole in the first place? I honestly mean no disrespect if someone adheres strictly to Game, but it is time that we stopped playing their games and forge ahead with our struggle to bring balance and equilibrium back to a really fucked up world.<br /><br />With fraternal love and brotherhood,<br /><br />Crimson ViceroyCrimson Viceroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-20882211008868746372011-11-08T05:22:57.424-08:002011-11-08T05:22:57.424-08:00Continuation again (I'm starting to hate Blogg...Continuation again (I'm starting to hate Blogger):<br /><br />What men here call “game education” on the true nature of women, is only part of the picture. Game’s ultimate motive, or at least the classical examples demonstrated herein from most members, is that it will allow someone to navigate the emotional and social minefield of dating and hook-up culture to ultimately get laid. Coming to a realization about the disgusting, disloyal, dishonorable, misandric, and morally reprehensible nature of the unleashed apathetic beast known as modern woman seems to be a side-effect. Therefore, my proposal is to simply separate the education of the nature of our enemy for the ultimate focus and prime directive of waking up men’s minds to MRA/MGTOW philosophies..nothing more. At the very least, tying in MRA with “game” is going to water down the very legitimate disclosure we have to offer to the general male population regarding misandry and FemiNazi governance. It is the opposite side of the same problem…altering one’s behavior to seek approval from women, instead of being a chivalric white knight, you are being the nonchalant disinterested “bad boy”. Both lack quality of character and anything deeper than the insight towards getting some pussy.<br /><br />Rise, men, rise and take up the pride that is your inheritance of being blessed and gifted, THAT’S RIGHT BLESSED, with being born with a Y-chromosome. Embrace who you are, everything that you have done so far, and accept the character that you have so far cultivated, not for the sake of anything to do with WOEmynn kind, but to forge a destiny free of misandry, and the general bile of modern FemiNazi womanhood. If you give them an inch, they will take a mile. How far are we willing to slide in our moral infrastructure to get a moment’s worth of fleshly pleasure? Isn’t this the kind of thinking that landed us into this misandric shithole in the first place? I honestly mean no disrespect if someone adheres strictly to Game, but it is time that we stopped playing their games and forge ahead with our assault and crusade against misandry.<br /><br />The primary thing that stands, at least for me, in the way of achieving a full measure of resolve in throwing my entire set of mental resources into this fight is a shred of weakness for “companionship” with the female of our species. This I find to be an inherent weakness that is used against us at every impasse and must be PERMANENTLY suppressed in order to achieve a full measure of victory. We have to eliminate the misandry from within before dealing with misandry from without. Game is nothing more than self-abasement of one’s own moral fiber in order to relearn basic communication mechanisms for what, a good fuck? Is that it? The accumulation of years of life experience, character building struggles and challenges, all forfeited so that you can gain a sense of confidence just so you can seek approval from women? That is nothing more than “self-evolution” on the basis of shame in one’s self. Even if women flock to you after you have learned a sense of balance..it would be nothing more than a hindrance and challenge to maintain your newly reformed sense of identity and self-ACCEPTANCE. Game is nothing more than a coping mechanism that instinctually tells women to fucking continue their game of bullshit. Being totally free of any thoughts of concern towards them, means exactly that..not ulterior motives of fucking them. They have to be completely outside the mind of a freed man. A man who is completely under the jurisdiction of his FREE AGENCY, not his biological urges to fuck. This is just me, but the biological urge to fuck is nothing more than an inherent flaw in character that must be eradicated as sex has been weaponized to a deadly level for the common man. Only a man that has mastered himself will be immune to such a deadly weapon. Gaming is nothing more than playing with a fucking python hoping that you can tame it long enough to stroke it and that it won’t strike you back.<br /><br />With fraternal love and brotherhood,<br /><br />Crimson ViceroyCrimson Viceroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-6416624327127073532011-11-08T05:20:10.914-08:002011-11-08T05:20:10.914-08:00Continuing my comment:
Recommending to those who...Continuing my comment:<br /><br /><br />Recommending to those who have been marginalized, denigrated, and mocked for their humble, honest, and hard-working natures to simply “get game” is similar to a fucking SoCon telling these men to “man up”. It is a useless and contrived option that offers no clear solution other than the false delusion of getting a good fuck in. Sorry gents, but just as woman’s body is hers, so is a man’s body and if we are to face this evil, we must face the weakness within ourselves. I have always admired men’s ability to evolve from their station and shortcomings in life and to reshape their world to adapt to their new realities. Now PUA may be the adaptive strategy that is employed by “beta’s” but frankly it is only like placing a bandage on a mortal wound instead of dealing with the root cause of the problem.<br /><br />This might be a bit too forward, but telling young men that all they have to do is forfeit their character and adapt a set of traits that would make them total assholes is a temporary solution. I am brought to understand the something my father shared with me before he passed away regarding confidence:<br /><br />“Confidence is a process that is lifelong, one in which you build character from life experiences. It is not overnight and cannot be fucking faked. Matter of fact, usually confidence means that you stand by your convictions but don’t search for trouble or seek out opportunities to show how tough you are or exude false bravado.”<br /><br />Stay true to who you are and forget about women. They have proven their irrelevance and their inability to live amicably and peacefully. I say this to all the guys who are completely depressed because they were told that the ultimate form of acceptance is to be able to have a good lay with a woman. I don’t mean to cause strife or rifts in this forum, but I wanted to present the other side of the coin.<br /><br />Fact of the matter is that you will never be able to change who you are. Finding balance and equilibrium with who you are is entirely possible and that is why there are so many books written on the subject. I figure it is better than just pretending to be something you really aren’t. Being de-romanticized and the true nature of women is simply MRA or MRM education, not PUA or Game. You go down the road of manipulating Game you better know about the consequences before you end up in a fucking date rape case. I have seen it happen to men, and frankly I don’t have an ounce of pity for them cause they kept on parading their “alpha assholehood” to the rest of us. Humility is the name of the game. Confidence comes from a character grounded in understanding your own shortcomings and accepting who you are…regardless of how you persuade women to get in bed without too much fighting. Fuck that. You are you..you are not what you do, not what you wear, not what you drive, and sure as hell you are NOT WHAT YOU FUCK!<br /><br />With fraternal love and brotherhood,<br /><br />Crimson ViceroyCrimson Viceroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-41062825744102880412011-11-08T05:17:44.473-08:002011-11-08T05:17:44.473-08:00I wanted to ask this of “gamers” everywhere. I am ...I wanted to ask this of “gamers” everywhere. I am having an extremely difficult time swallowing that portion of the red pill cause most of my self confidence is based on illusion. At what point do you come to balance and equilibrium with the fact that you are NOT everything that you project yourself to be. Cause honestly, the more I read into “Game and PUA” theory, the more it sounds like “fake it till you make it”. I understand that women are fraudulent creatures and lies and deception are the syntax and diction of their language, but at a certain point they will be able to point out your bullshit that you are trying to deliver as confidence. The way I see it, most men are not born alpha’s, hence the relatively “high price” for them in the SMP. Therefore, there are only a few men who have had that “right mixture of physical and psychological traits” that tend to attract that modern woman. When you introduce game, what you are trying to do is go against the very blueprint schematics of who you are.<br /><br />Frankly, it is the entire “fake it till you make it” paradigm that is built off of fraud, which I don’t have such a problem since women are creatures of deception and lies and therefore the very syntax and diction of their language is predicated upon lies and misdirection. However, the concern comes in when you are found to be a fraud yourself, cause despite what all those “playa’s” want to believe that the game can go on forever…it can’t.<br /><br />“You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time” Eventually you will be found out to be the fraud that you are presenting to others. For a man to be truly confident, he has to have experienced a modicum of success and use that as a driving mechanism to prove to himself that he can do such a thing again. Now, if you have never really succeeded, than at that point you are playing a game that is based on how sure you are that you will win, when the rules are never revealed to you in the first place. I’m sorry, but then it becomes a matter of mental chess to overcome your rational brain and fool it into thinking that you are everything and a bag of chips, when in reality your rational brain is giving you a very hard honest self-assessment of who you really are. At that point you are simply betraying who you truly are and how long can that facade continue. When the curtain pulls back, you are left there in the proverbial nude in front of an audience totally speechless.<br /><br />Will continue in another comment since there is a 4000 character limit.<br /><br />With fraternal love and brotherhood,<br /><br />Crimson ViceroyCrimson Viceroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-4149784300596128572011-11-08T04:24:46.203-08:002011-11-08T04:24:46.203-08:00Why do I get the feeling (at least some of) you gu...Why do I get the feeling (at least some of) you guys think this man made this stuff up in his back yard with his dad, like some sort of "immaculate conception of game before game was even born", or something?<br /><br />Sorry to burst your bubble - it's an exciting idea, but no. The quoted passages are rife with references to early 2000s PUA concepts and terminology (and at one point he even talks about "men who study this sort of thing"! Giveaway much?), and it's plainly obvious from reading this that it's heavily influenced by the early "seduction community", both ideas and language.<br /><br />It's still great advice and all, but there's no need to worry that this dude is some sort of crack genius who invented everything that the big gurus then "stole" into their million-dollar businesses. He's clearly a student of the same phase of PUA that Neil Strauss talks about in the first half of "The Game".Delusion Damagehttp://delusiondamage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-24599598428791134552011-11-08T03:29:02.028-08:002011-11-08T03:29:02.028-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4RwDYF55Qhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4RwDYF55QAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-30888386079077741282011-11-08T03:26:04.857-08:002011-11-08T03:26:04.857-08:00John: I agree. I think Kool Moe Dee sums it up in ...John: I agree. I think Kool Moe Dee sums it up in his eighties hit "I'm a player": "To get a girl you don't have to lie, unless you're just an average guy."<br /><br />LavazzaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-69108875292549088262011-11-07T22:21:34.677-08:002011-11-07T22:21:34.677-08:00Women want men to lead, and you can't be a lea...<strong>Women want men to lead, and you can't be a leader if you show fear.</strong><br /><br />I honestly do not give a shit. Unlike you, I do not obsess over what women want. I am not her trained poodle.<br /><br />Why not try being your own for once? Hey, you never know, it might appeal.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-69184712277240195032011-11-07T21:15:09.133-08:002011-11-07T21:15:09.133-08:00"John: you don't know enough, and you are..."John: you don't know enough, and you aren't enough, to be so arrogant and condescending."<br /><br />QFT. What an aspie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-45880176059237319612011-11-07T21:11:21.736-08:002011-11-07T21:11:21.736-08:00Women want men to lead, and you can't be a lea...Women want men to lead, and you can't be a leader if you show fear.<br /><br />Fear sucks energy. <br /><br />If you want to lead, then you must create for your followers an environment within which they can convince themselves that everything will turn out ok. <br /><br />This will allow them to operate at their full potential, and then you and they will succeed, if success is possible.<br /><br />Fear is an internal struggle that wastes resources, and it is possible to learn to set it aside, and then move past it and forward toward a solution.<br /><br />This is illustrated nicely in the movie "Six Days Seven Nights" starring Harrison Ford and Anne Heche, especially the scene at the top of the mountain.<br /><br />Keoni: excellent article.<br /><br />John: you don't know enough, and you aren't enough, to be so arrogant and condescending.Lokinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-8414524773274790072011-11-07T16:51:56.209-08:002011-11-07T16:51:56.209-08:00Right, you dont have to advertise it nor do you ha...Right, you dont have to advertise it nor do you have to deny it or seek to hide it. <br /><br />Failing to volunteer information in inappropriate contexts is certainly not faking.<br /><br />Anyways, good luck with everything. I will just leave you with the reflection that the more you try to be liked by someone, the weaker you become, and the more dependent on that person you become.<br /><br />The really hard thing for most guys (including me for a long time) to grasp is that this is true EVEN if what you are doing to be liked is becoming more confident and being a leader. Its a somewhat subtle point, and game exploits the subtlety of this point to craft a sophisticated poison, a trojan horse - game lures you with the siren song of confidence, but once you let game within your walls you discover to your horror that you opened the gates to an enemy that eats away at the very roots of your confidence.<br /><br />Unfortunately it can take years of suffering through psychological weakness before one becomes aware of its source, because the trojan horse is designed to look benign. It took me ages, so I am not judging.<br /><br />Cheers, and good luck!Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-68907648374857294222011-11-07T12:25:51.599-08:002011-11-07T12:25:51.599-08:00I suppose I am saying that if you feel fear you sh...<i>I suppose I am saying that if you feel fear you should find the source of your fear and see if you can eliminate it</i><br /><br />I'll agree with that!<br /><br />John, my point is that being circumspect and reserved (i.e. not emoting your every fear and insecurity) is not the same as "being afraid a woman will find out about your fears" and "faking" something.Keoni Galtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-88050156153611208332011-11-07T12:18:44.504-08:002011-11-07T12:18:44.504-08:00I suppose I am saying that if you feel fear you sh...I suppose I am saying that if you feel fear you should find the source of your fear and see if you can eliminate it, not add one more fear by living in fear of what women (or anyone) will think of you. That is compounding your fear.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-31398434818487307912011-11-07T12:09:02.260-08:002011-11-07T12:09:02.260-08:00And men are the indispensible sex. Buying into thi...And men are the indispensible sex. Buying into this kind of misandric men are the disposable sex stuff really hurts your male self-esteem. And it just is not true despite its wrapping of pseudo-science evo-psyche.<br /><br />Women may not be attracted to tearful men. But it is weak to be preoccupied with what women are attracted to. <br /><br />And you dont have to make an extravagant point of displaying your fear through tears, but you can admit you are afraid if asked, and not deny it or seek to hide it.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-85285390575804745582011-11-07T12:02:30.095-08:002011-11-07T12:02:30.095-08:00If one has confidence and competence, that is obse...If one has confidence and competence, that is observable in the appropriate contexts. Making a point of showing it indicates an need to win approval from others. Confident people typically do not make a point of demonstrating anything. They are confident it will appear in the natural order of things, and in any event dont much care what others think.<br /><br />I guess condensed into a nutshell my point is that needing to win the approval or respect of another person - and making any effort to do so - is a form of weakness.<br /><br />Simply ceasing to care what others think of one is the greatest form of strength you can have. <br /><br />*Being strong* IN ORDER to make others impressed with you undercuts the genuineness of your strength, being strength implies indifference to the opinions others might have you.<br /><br />Does that make sense? Do you see perhaps any merit in that idea?<br /><br />By the way, interestingly ROISSY just made a post today ADMITTING that game involves supplication and slavery and just saying he *does not want to be emancipated* if this means he gets *the exquisite pleasure of sex* (what is he a teenager? Who talks that way about sex after having had it a few times?) <br /><br />If Gamers were as radically honest as Roissy, men might make a choice if slavery is worth it.Johnnoreply@blogger.com