tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post5137857116595632991..comments2024-03-23T13:16:37.006-07:00Comments on Hawaiian libertarian: Carbs Are Not the DevilKeoni Galthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00842553742723239151noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-87965398278993579242011-08-11T18:15:48.106-07:002011-08-11T18:15:48.106-07:00What never made since to me about VLC is the fact...What never made since to me about VLC is the fact that the average person requires 150 grams of glucose per day. Why spend big money on grass fed beef only to have it converted into glucose when a dollar's worth of potatoes does the same (plus provides valuable potassium).<br /><br />Keoni, have you read any of Ray Peat's work? I'm back eating fruit and drinking whole milk after listening to all of his podcast interviews. And amazingly I've lost that stubborn last five pounds (for a grand total of 65lbs.)<br /><br />It's kind of funny. Paleo has essentially become the diet of a 1970's bodybuilder with Celiacs. Go figure.PaleoPaleonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-53466786699461705782011-08-09T21:59:51.190-07:002011-08-09T21:59:51.190-07:00For example, a couple days ago I made chicken curr...For example, a couple days ago I made chicken curry for the family(chicken thighs, coconut milk, curry powder, ginger, bell peppers and rice). My rice cooker will burn the rice if I put less than 1 cup dry in it, and nobody else really eats much rice. Not thinking about it, I filled my bowl up with rice and soaked it in the curry mixture. Due to the high fat and protein of the coconut and chicken, the meal itself wasn't too high in carbs, but I ate such a large serving and even though my stomach was physically full, I still craved more. <br />Occasionally I will splurge and go for a sugary candy, generally if it doesn't have the fat/protein to fill me up I will eat a whole box of Mike and Ike's, or large quantities of something similar. <br />I don't think I'm alone in this, but the vast majority of carb addicts don't eat Paleo and aren't self aware enough to tell the difference. Paleo man (Grok, if you will), could get away with eating like that occasionally when the opportunity presented itslef, because he didn't have endless supplies of carbs year round.<br /><br />There was a documentary I watched a few years back, about 500lb+ people that were essentially food addicts. Many had gotten gastric bypass surgeries, and still went back to eating non-stop all day. One guy (who had put all his weight back on) made the point about how alcoholics and other drug addicts that recovered did so by getting rid of the drug that they were addicted to entirely from their life. With food addicts, it's not so easy: what if you still had to have a litle bit of alcohol, a little bit of heroine, etc. daily just to live? They have done research and found that carbs do cause a dopamine response, and are addictive in a similar way to heroine or cocaine. I can understand people that demonize carbs, yes they do become killjoys about it to a certain extent in a similar way to 12 steppers, but they're trying to protect themselves from their own lack of willpower.<br /><br />I like your idea of fried potatoes. It's a lot harder to overeat those.The Original Hermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14613024706649973420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-24569831087942535302011-08-09T13:43:37.371-07:002011-08-09T13:43:37.371-07:00My problem is that when I do eat more than a small...<i>My problem is that when I do eat more than a small amount of carbs, I can't stop eating them. I do feel better with some, but I overdo it and always pack on a few pounds in my belly.</i><br /><br />In my own experience, this is where the fat is so important. I can't overeat tuberes fried in coconut oil, it's pretty satiating.<br /><br />I never ever eat carbs by itself.Keoni Galtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-33116195105659239772011-08-09T13:39:48.646-07:002011-08-09T13:39:48.646-07:00Make no mistake about it anon - I still get the ma...Make no mistake about it anon - I still get the majority of my calories from P&F. If you were to look at my meals with my carbs included, the carbs usually make up only 20%-30% of the total serving.<br /><br />I was LC for a long time (not enough to be in constant ketosis, but I did go through a phase in which the only carbs I ever ate were cruciferous veggies and fruit, no potatos, rice etc.Keoni Galtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-65801557941389090642011-08-09T11:19:19.545-07:002011-08-09T11:19:19.545-07:00@Anon (workout carbs)
I don't think this is g...@Anon (workout carbs)<br /><br />I don't think this is generally true. I maintain a pretty strict low-carb (probably in keto 95% of the time), and building muscle is not hard. It sounds to me that you might not have given yourself enough time to fully keto-adapt. Because I'm pretty fit (not a ton of bodyfat), it took me about a month to fully adjust.<br /><br />@Original Post<br />Carbs may not be the devil, but a strong insulin response to blood sugar is. Slow carbs are much better, but I guess I just don't see the point in incorporating much in the way of carbs (for adults) assuming your caloric needs can be affordably met with P&F.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-73274350567401436492011-08-09T06:00:49.938-07:002011-08-09T06:00:49.938-07:00I also find that dark bread doesn't negatively...I also find that dark bread doesn't negatively affect my energy levels, and I still feel "light" after eating a slice or two with a meal. Life goes on.<br /><br />Also mix small amounts of potatoes and wild rice with a lot of meals. Same as above.<br /><br />VLC is great for rapidly losing weight, but if you're at your ideal body size, I think we'll survive a slice of rye toast with the bacon and eggs.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />FrostFrosthttp://www.freedomtwentyfive.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-92149305388668040082011-08-09T05:24:57.295-07:002011-08-09T05:24:57.295-07:00All I know is this, if you weight lift and want to...All I know is this, if you weight lift and want to maintain muscle mass you absolutely need carbs. For a couple months I was taking powdered carbs (pure carbs if you will) in my morning health shake. My workouts were great and I suffered very little energy loss during the day all the while losing my spare tire. For the last two weeks I've been without them due to lack of supply and my workouts have been generally less productive and my energy levels during the day have suffered to the point where I skipped some workouts. They only change in my diet was missing those carbs. That alone has showed me the need for them just on personal anecdote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-28422905370665356242011-08-09T05:21:39.387-07:002011-08-09T05:21:39.387-07:00^ this^ thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-15888681951855806082011-08-09T05:21:12.380-07:002011-08-09T05:21:12.380-07:008=====D8=====DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-67435050123302502502011-08-09T04:16:16.211-07:002011-08-09T04:16:16.211-07:00Great post. I always have a problem fine-tuning m...Great post. I always have a problem fine-tuning my carb intake. I've never been over-weight, but I was skinny-fat until I started eating Paleo. My problem is that when I do eat more than a small amount of carbs, I can't stop eating them. I do feel better with some, but I overdo it and always pack on a few pounds in my belly. I've also been doing a Crossfit style exercise regimen lately, and that gives me an insatiable appetite some days, and it always seems to be the days I don't have easy fat/protein around.<br /><br />I agree that carbs aren't evil, but I would have to say that they have a way of doing evil things to your willpower.The Original Hermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14613024706649973420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4256367009985298221.post-42143445019491843312011-08-08T21:44:59.861-07:002011-08-08T21:44:59.861-07:00Excellent post, especially considering the view th...Excellent post, especially considering the view those of us who go primal, and suddenly look and feel good, can get towards carbs.<br /><br />I've become sensitive and need to avoid more than a few 'glasses of grain' a week or I get sinus issues and sneeze all day. But a bad day every now and then is a fair trade for feeling great most of the time and then reminding myself why I eat as I do.Jack Dublinnoreply@blogger.com